The ESCWA Report: Guterres falls at the first hurdle.. my comments…

The original post was here by Julie Webb-Pullman:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170319-the-escwa-report-guterres-falls-at-the-first-hurdle/

They will probably never publish my comments so for those who are interested here they are:

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Don’t expect Julie Webb-Pullman to state the truth. Her whole diatribe is one lie after another.

Lie #1: “UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres’s first big challenge has seen him falter, and fall”. Guterres has neither faltered nor fallen. If anything he has risen like a phoenix from the ashes, standing up against the bullying of the Arab states and non-aligned that for years been coerced by petro dollars and other bribes to vote against Israel.

Lie #2: “..if the UN is to retain any semblance of independence, impartiality and integrity.” The UN was rarely independent, impartial or with integrity. One of those rare occasions was in 1947 where they voted in favour of creating a Jewish State (not an Arab state) and a separate Arab state (not a Jewish State). The Jews accepted. The Arabs did not. After Israel declared independence (by the UN’s right to) in 1948, the Arab states attacked Israel…. and they lost. This newly independent “Palestinian” country changed it’s name to Israel as what it’s original was for thousands of years. The provinces of Judea and Samaria were lost in the cease-fire line to Jordan however was still part of the original mandate that was granted to the Jewish people….legally as in INTERNATIONAL LAW.

Lie #3: “..two highly qualified, experienced and respected scholars: Richard Falk, Albert G. Milbank Professor Emeritus of International Law at Princeton University, internationally recognized as one of the world’s finest, and Virginia Tilley, Professor of Political Science at Southern Illinois University-Carbondale.” They are hardly qualified, hardly experienced and hardly respected.. except by despotic regimes, purveyors of anti-Semitic porn and like minded endorsers of terrorist regimes such as Hamas and Iran. Even the PA tried to get Falk expelled from the UN for his support of Hamas. Tilley is not much better. She promotes the destruction of Israel in her “one state solution” essay and writings would rather see the Jews swallowed in a sea of Arab interlopers then 20 Arab countries take care of their own expats who’s settlements and occupations are visible throughout the Land of Israel especially during the last 120 years.

Lie #4: “The 80+ UN resolutions Israel is currently in breach of were passed simply and solely because Israel REPEATEDLY BREAKS INTERNATIONAL LAW.” Of course this lie has become practically universal by the Jew hating Israel bashers. They use this general term yet never state the statute or law that Israel has broken. UN resolutions are not laws. They are stated opinions by member states who by vote of majority in their own fiefdom of states aligned by agenda or coercion, gang up on Israel.

Lie #5: “These principles are that human rights are universal and inalienable; indivisible; interdependent and interrelated. (note to SG – Palestinians should have them too.)”.

Palestinians? Who are they? The Palestinians of 70 CE? 1929? 1936? 1947? 1948? 1964? 1967? 2002? It seems there are different Palestinian flavours for every occasion or political need. The only REAL Palestinians are the Jews who have a deed of sale, the purchase of the Tomb of the Patriarchs and Matriarchs from time immemorial. The Arabs who came later are missing the most important document…their own deed of sale enshrined not only in the Bible, not only in the annals of history but even in the Koran itself. The current “State” of Jordan is the only homeland for the current day Arab Palestinians or of course any of the other Arab states that refuse to give them citizenship.

She, Falk and Tilley are all cut from the same cloth… finish the job that the Romans, Persians, Greeks, Crusaders, Mameluke’s, Nazi’s and Muslim hordes failed to do. The only difference is they use the pen instead of the sword. I have news for them…. history is on the side of the Jews. Just wait and see.

2 thoughts on “The ESCWA Report: Guterres falls at the first hurdle.. my comments…

  1. You might as well post the comments on that “Jerry the Peacemaker” site, where he reproduces the report, and of course “moderates” the comments he doesn’t like:

    11 thoughts on “UN Sponsored Report on Israel’s Responsibility for Apartheid in relation to the Palestinian People”

    Jerry Alatalo

    Please read the tremendously important, serious and historic document, save it to your files, and disseminate as widely as possible. By doing so efficiently, effectively and quickly at this extremely dangerous point in human history, one can quite possibly make the difference in preventing the unimaginable: World War III, and the nuclear destruction of life on Earth. Thank you.


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     March 19, 2017 at 8:02 pm Reply

    Falk-Uncensored

    Falk’s lying diatribe has nothing to do with “World War III, and the nuclear destruction of life on Earth.”
    It has everything to do with 2 “has been” academics that in their waning days of whining at the last remnants of the anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli (and by extension, anti-Christian and other Israel minorities) UN and related organizations finally falling out of fashion with even the lowest common denominator of the planet.

    Over 2000 years whole nations have come and then faded away in their attempt to vilify and destroy us. Well, the actual facts are here for all to see and history and the prophetic facts of the Torah stand clear and bold. Am Yisrael Hai!!

    The sick and dying LEFT is drowning in its own sputum, unable to stand up and EVER argue the case against Israel on the merits. All they can do is shut you down, ignore you, boycott you, conduct acts of terror and lie, lie and lie (Durban, Geneva, Iran) again. The mere fact that they refuse honest debate is proof enough they have no case and are loathsome of any legitimate arena of their peers. This “document” is proof of that.


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     March 19, 2017 at 9:07 pm Reply

    Jerry Alatalo

    Aaron,
    One could conclude that the “has been” academics, Professor Tilley and Professor Falk, have INITIATED an honest debate, which defeats the logic used asserting they refuse same debate. After writing the professors’ efforts are a form of “whining” at organizations on the decline, with “even the lowest common denominator of the planet”, it would be appreciated if an elaboration were provided, particularly related to Christ’s words “What you do for the least of these, you do for me.” It seems clear that “the case” isn’t against Israel, but against apartheid conditions extant, and that the over-25,000 word document is an argument against it.


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     March 20, 2017 at 9:29 am Reply

    Fred Skolnik

    Here’s something else for your files:

    It is utterly incredible that two academic figures, albeit commissioned by a UN body comprised exclusively of Arab countries, could think they could get away with such a hodgepodge of tendentious and confused reasoning and terminology to make the apartheid claim “stick.” and it is not surprising that the UN immediately repudiated the report along with just about everyone else who doesn’t have an anti-Israel agenda. I will not review this document point by point but underscore its two basic fallacies.

    The Arab-Israel conflict is a national conflict and insofar as religion is linked to nationalism, overwhelmingly so among Israel’s enemies and far less so in Israel, also a religious conflict. To call it “racial” in order to slip in the apartheid tag is beyond ignorant. In plain English, Jews do not and never have considered the Arabs as belonging to another race, just as the Americans and British did not consider the Germans as belonging to another race, and this is ironically even more pronounced among religious Jews for reasons that anyone familiar with the Hebrew Bible will immediately understand. In Israel, among religious and non-religious Jews, the Arabs are in fact often referred to as the cousins (“benei ha-dodim”). Israel is a Jewish national state in precisely the same way as Turkey is a Turkish national state, with everything this entails, and the Arabs living in Israel are a national minority in precisely the same way as the Kurds living in Turkey are a national minority, and far better off politically, it should be added.

    Israel’s occupation of the West Bank is a military occupation in the same way that the Allied occupation of Germany was a military occupation. Military occupations by definition entail separation between the occupying power and the occupied population and two separate legal systems, a military system for occupied nationals and a civil system for occupying nationals, and it makes absolutely no difference in legal terms if the occupying nationals are domiciled in army bases or settlements, irrespective of the legality of these settlements.

    The occupied Palestinians have engaged in terrorist activities from the outset of the occupation. All Israeli measures to protect its civilian population are fully justified by any standard of law or common sense, including the closure and blockade of Gaza. Any report that glosses over this terrorism as a factor in how the Palestinians are governed under the occupation is being dishonest, to say the least.


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     March 20, 2017 at 4:25 am Reply

    Jerry Alatalo

    Fred,
    Am interested in a response to the (spiritual) idea that all men, women and children belong to the human family and are relatives. Are you and I, Professors Tilley and Falk, Israelis and Palestinians related in such an ultimate manner or not? Pardon the effort to move any discussion we may engage in toward this aspect of human reality, but personally this is the “nuts and bolts”, highly neglected dimension of the situation for Palestinians, Israelis, people of the Mideast region and entire Earth. Mohandes Gandhi wrote a book titled “All Men Are Brothers” and this man believes that is ultimate reality. Fred, do you think Gandhi (and so many other spiritual explorers through history) reflected ultimate truth with that title, and that injecting the consciousness behind that profound concept into all discussions about conflicts can bring positive, agreed upon by all results?


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     March 20, 2017 at 9:59 am Reply

    Fred Skolnik

    If your approach is so spiritual and humanistic, then why are you uncritically embracing a slanderous report that you are unequipped to verify or evaluate concerning a country of which you have no direct knowledge.


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     March 20, 2017 at 11:15 am
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    Jerry Alatalo

    Fred,
    That was, sadly, not the constructive response we were hoping for, instead answering sincere questions with a cruel personal attack and lowering the quality of discourse. But alas, such is illustrative of the far more important communications-related problems (in particular, scarce spiritual maturity) associated with the Israel-Palestine issue.


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     March 20, 2017 at 12:00 pm
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    Fred Skolnik

    What is constructive about endorsing a report that vilifies Israel?


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     March 20, 2017 at 12:20 pm
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    Jerry Alatalo

    Fred,
    The same constructive results that came from the fall of apartheid in South Africa.


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     March 20, 2017 at 4:36 pm
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    Fred Skolnik
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    Good. Which means that you do endorse the report as a condemnation of Israel as an apartheid state. Please explain how you went about verifying and evaluating a report concerning a country about which you have no direct knowledge.


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     March 21, 2017 at 12:18 am
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    Fred Skolnik

    I see that you don’t have an answer to the question so you are going to pretend that it was never asked. Well, Jerry, just between us, you can’t call people criminals and then, when you’re challeged and accused of slander, run away and hide behind a veneer of bogus spirituality saying, “Don’t look at me, I’m a saint.” You’re not a saint, Jerry. You’re an Israel hater, and maybe something worse.


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     March 20, 2017 at 2:28 pm
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    Jerry Alatalo

    Fred,
    We responded to the question… Firstly, it takes an extraordinary level of arrogance to label or accuse someone one has never met as being a pretender – in other words a liar or lacking integrity. It fits a pattern, then, to go on and state the other unmet person practices “bogus spirituality”, plus further accusing that person of being an “Israel hater, or maybe something worse.” We deny that assertion and find it most unfortunate. We are sincerely interested in learning, and would greatly appreciate your sharing, a description of your personal worldview and philosophy. Perhaps this would allow us to better understand each other, then with the benefit of that better understanding engage in a good and positive discussion.


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     March 20, 2017 at 4:46 pm
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    Fred Skolnik
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    You are being nonsensical. When you slander a country and are challenged to present the evidence, the worldview and philosophy of whomever challenges you on substantive grounds is irrelevant. You say, Arabs in Israel live like Africans in South Africa. I say, Prove it. You say, What is your worldview and philosophy. You are copping out. When you endorse such slanderous allegations as are found in the report, you had better be ready to put your money where your mouth is.


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     March 21, 2017 at 12:27 am
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    Fred Skolnik
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    To be perfectly clear, Jerry: You have never mentioned the State of Israel with anything but the vilest allegations that stink of animosity (“Is it an exact analogy to describe the Israeli apartheid nation with its decades-old criminal, dehumanizing, racist policies toward the Palestinian people as the world’s largest “gated community”? – from another of your posts, not to mention your various comments on Falk’s site). That is why I call you a hater. How do you dare to slander a country you have never seen, whose language you don’t understand and about which you get all your information from second- and third-hand English-language sources. That is the only question that demands an answer. If you wish to say, Because I am a Christian. I will understand that, because Christians have hated, persecuted and murdered Jews for 2000 years. And if you wish to know what my “views” are in the matter, read this:

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/15129

    But if you have a better explanation, let’s hear it.


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     March 21, 2017 at 1:10 am

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  2. Here’s the continuation:

    Jerry Alatalo

    Fred,
    While approving your comment, because unsure about the safety of the website you linked, please explain the article’s content or provide the (relevant parts or in whole) text.

    Either Israel is the world’s largest gated community or it isn’t. Does it seem unreasonable, or a “vilest allegation”, to use the gated community analogy when Israel’s dividing wall is there for everyone on Earth to see? Do you think that wall should remain standing or be dismantled, Fred? Slander is a “false’ defamatory spoken statement”. Are you saying that the wall is some sort of mirage or supernatural hologram manifestation, that if one were to stand next to it one’s hand would go through it like it wasn’t there – that the wall is “false”?

    How can we square the assertion that (now) the Christians are haters of Israel when it is a total inversion of reality? Good gracious Fred, there are Christians so devoted to Israel who might rather punch me in the face than hear about the state of the Palestinian people.


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     March 21, 2017 at 12:58 pm Reply

    Fred Skolnik
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    The wall is there for security, to keep terrorists out, and for no other reason, and it has succeeded fairly well. You should be glad that Israeli women and children are no longer being blown to pieces in buses and restaurants by barbaric Arab terrorists. Where was your voice when the terrorists were murdering Israeli civilians? Do you really not understand why the wall is there?

    As for the Christianity – good gracious? Are you unaware of what your church is guilty of with regard to the Jews.” I said “2000 years,” not “(now).” Why do you put the “now” in parentheses – because you know that I’m not talking about “now.”

    The site is perfectly safe and you would do well to read the piece and maybe understand yourself and your fellow Christians a little better, particularly the Israel haters.


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     March 21, 2017 at 3:05 pm

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